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>> you're thinking i don't have time to worry about deficit reduction and the fiscal cliff. i have to go to a fund-raiser. i have to raise tens of thousands of dollars every day to have enough money to compete with these super packs and it would be nice if i could find a billionaire that would help me with my own super pac and that means i have to be nice to billionaires who unwant to find the funding for my campaign and hope they'll do a super pac. so you've raised the financial pressure where we would like them to be focused on instead of their next campaign. >> trevor potter, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. i axe appreciate it. ♪ ♪ >>> that's it for this week. go to billmoiers.com for league to the sun light foundation and other citizens groups pushing back against the spreading slime of money. and don't miss our special video report from nearby coney island that explores first hand how occupy sandy and the group boomboo people's relief are helping the hardest hit and most vulnerable. that's all from bill moyers.com. i'm bill moyers. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ -- cap
>> you're thinking i don't have time to worry about deficit reduction and the fiscal cliff. i have to go to a fund-raiser. i have to raise tens of thousands of dollars every day to have enough money to compete with these super packs and it would be nice if i could find a billionaire that would help me with my own super pac and that means i have to be nice to billionaires who unwant to find the funding for my campaign and hope they'll do a super pac. so you've raised the financial pressure...
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in other words don't shoot the democrat santa clause which we pay for by the way to reduce the deficit or bernie sanders of the progress is understand is that democrats haven't been playing santa claus for the last eighty years just to win elections they don't play santa claus to save the nation and our economic system as we know it face of the great depression and communist revolutions around the world roosevelt had to enact the new deal just to save capitalism itself in america and the american people were willing to pay for it faced with the crisis of poverty the one nine hundred sixty s. and the hardships senior citizens are facing upon retirement l.b.j. enacted the great society and medicare because the people wanted gifts from santa claus but because people needed help and providing for the general welfare is according to our constitution one of the main purposes for which our government itself was created and despite what limbaugh o'reilly and other con say providing student loan relief isn't a gift it's a necessity now that outstanding student loan is topped up trillion dollars
in other words don't shoot the democrat santa clause which we pay for by the way to reduce the deficit or bernie sanders of the progress is understand is that democrats haven't been playing santa claus for the last eighty years just to win elections they don't play santa claus to save the nation and our economic system as we know it face of the great depression and communist revolutions around the world roosevelt had to enact the new deal just to save capitalism itself in america and the...
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that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last year? i went through your press releases from last year. and i have them in front of me. it's domestic violence, marriage equality, war on women, richard murdoch, love your body day, abortion ban, war on women, abortion, i mean, on and on and on. i don't see anything in here that talks about the unemployment crisis. why now? >> actually, we have been talking about the unemployment crisis. i'll send you all the materials that we've put out about that previously. one of the things that we actually spent an enormous amount of time and resources on last y
that begins to reduce your deficit right there. so it's win/win. >> terry, i got to say, this is music to my ears. i read your column. i really liked it. you say it's the jobs crisis that needs to be addressed right away. you say lowering unemployment is probably the single most important thing we can do to reduce the federal budget deficit over the next few years. no complaints from me. no argument there. i'm just wondering, though, where were these criticisms of president obama last...
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i think that, you know, if we cut the budget, if we cut the deficit and raise taxes, i don't think that's the worst thing in the world. as warren buffett has been saying for the last 24 hours, are you really going to turn down a good investment opportunity just because the tax rates are a little higher in we're talking about a minor 4 percentage point increase in the upper end of the tax rate here. it's not life or death. you know, cutting the deficit and raising taxes, if they can't agree, which congress has shown themselves inability to agree. if they're not going to agree, maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for tax rates to go up and for the deficit to be cut. i think that could result in a big economic boom. >> wow. >> and then, let's say two weeks after we go over the cliff, after the 1st of january, they then cut attacks for everybody -- >> but here's the problem with that notion. it's not fine. but, john, it's not fine because a lot of ordinary middle class people -- >> that's the problem. >> -- are trying to spend money at christmas and they're deeply anxious about what's
i think that, you know, if we cut the budget, if we cut the deficit and raise taxes, i don't think that's the worst thing in the world. as warren buffett has been saying for the last 24 hours, are you really going to turn down a good investment opportunity just because the tax rates are a little higher in we're talking about a minor 4 percentage point increase in the upper end of the tax rate here. it's not life or death. you know, cutting the deficit and raising taxes, if they can't agree,...
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nevermind the deficit, you'll never come close to tackling the debt if there's not leadership fromhe white house on this issue. >> reporter: steven, you covered the issues, and you have for a very lon time with distinction. at some point, it seems we're on a carosel of complaints and empirical evidence that does not change and the argument does not change. that is, we have a trillion dollar problem in terms of the deficit, a $16 trillion problem in terms of the debt, and we've got two parties that for all the world are acting as though we think we got 300 million americans in the country too dumb to understand what they've got to do. the only people who don't seem to get it are the republicans and the democrats in the nation's capital. >> yeah, i mean, look, there's a lot of truth to that. republicans deserve credit in raising issues after the elections of 2010, as pa of the process, the negotiations about the debt ceiling, but the irony we're facing right now as we sit here and we see the president refuse to talk seriously about entitlements, refuse to really actually engauge in any
nevermind the deficit, you'll never come close to tackling the debt if there's not leadership fromhe white house on this issue. >> reporter: steven, you covered the issues, and you have for a very lon time with distinction. at some point, it seems we're on a carosel of complaints and empirical evidence that does not change and the argument does not change. that is, we have a trillion dollar problem in terms of the deficit, a $16 trillion problem in terms of the debt, and we've got two...
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medicare, medicaid, the chief drivers of our president -- deficit. we made a lot of progress, but there is still spending we have to cut. the big bottleneck is republicans in congress on revenue and how much they're willing to come from. democrats will also have to step up and do some tough things. the notion that somehow these deficits and our debt are not a threat to our national security and economic future is something i cannot -- disagree with more strongly, as does the president. there are commentators on the left that suggest that -- we should not deal with it at all. we have to deal with it. think about the damage -- let's say we could reach an agreement. i happen to believe, i am not an economist by training, but we have been around enough to understand -- that would be a great driver for our economy. we are over performing the rest of the world right now. if we can actually -- for the business community and the american people say we have our fiscal house in order for a 20 period and will still be able to invest in education and technology
medicare, medicaid, the chief drivers of our president -- deficit. we made a lot of progress, but there is still spending we have to cut. the big bottleneck is republicans in congress on revenue and how much they're willing to come from. democrats will also have to step up and do some tough things. the notion that somehow these deficits and our debt are not a threat to our national security and economic future is something i cannot -- disagree with more strongly, as does the president. there...
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he started his first term by pledging to make entitlement reforms the center of the deficit reduction pla he's done nothing about it in nearly four years. lou: yeah. let me turn to the issue of the possibility of a republican reset, if i may, very quickly. the party, some say outright in disarray in defeat of the candidate, president obama's hands, and there's great hand wringing, gnashing of teeth, and wailing on the part of the republican party. the leadership seems to reside with speaker boehner and rinse -- reince, chairman of the rnc, who led the party to another defeat, second in the row, over the course of the past two cycles. at what point do republicans acknowledge there's a problem, we have to do things differently, find out what the message is, and find someone willing to listen to the message that will grow the party. >> well, i think, look, i think we've haddtremendous successes. in 2010, we took back the house, grew the majority in the house, took seats in the senate, a lot of seats in governorship, governor walker, scott, and so the party had a tremendous amount of succ
he started his first term by pledging to make entitlement reforms the center of the deficit reduction pla he's done nothing about it in nearly four years. lou: yeah. let me turn to the issue of the possibility of a republican reset, if i may, very quickly. the party, some say outright in disarray in defeat of the candidate, president obama's hands, and there's great hand wringing, gnashing of teeth, and wailing on the part of the republican party. the leadership seems to reside with speaker...
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it actually increases the deficit in the long run, at least for states and local governments. and it takes the healthiest people, the youngest old, if you will, out of the medicare pool and leaves the medicare pool with the sickest oldest old. i mean, it's absolutely crazy policy and really mean. >> respond to that. isn't she right on the merits that you don't save anything when you force people to stay away from the hospital or doctor for a couple years? >> i completely agree with what joan said. if i had my druthers we would lower the eligibility rate because medicare is better than the private sector. here's another thing that i think should, i guess, sweeten the deal is one way to put it for progressives and i think it's important for the economy. let's also include a couple measures of jobs programs in a temporary 2013 measures to help -- to take advantage of some of this momentum we already have in our economy. fiscal relief to states, maybe something off the payroll tax holiday, maybe something on the unemployment insurance. you know, that's another way in which this de
it actually increases the deficit in the long run, at least for states and local governments. and it takes the healthiest people, the youngest old, if you will, out of the medicare pool and leaves the medicare pool with the sickest oldest old. i mean, it's absolutely crazy policy and really mean. >> respond to that. isn't she right on the merits that you don't save anything when you force people to stay away from the hospital or doctor for a couple years? >> i completely agree with...
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we have a trillion dollar a year deficit. the math is simsimple. you need $4 trillion to keep the ratio of debt from growing. there has to be a tax element as well. you have to have more tax revenue. we could not afford the tax cuts we need to restore a piece of them. i have not been on wall street as long as warren buffet. but i agree. i was on wall street for 30 years. it didn't change my work ethic. i think people are driven by other things this is not going to change the work ethic including spending. >> let me play you both a clip today. at the end of the day, i don't want to quibble about the tax rate, but the more important thing is to imcrease the size of the wealth pie. the idea of keeping rates low and then you pay a low marginal rate of a shriking pie i'd rather get the country on the proper footing. >> how do you get america back on a sound economic footing? butting your hats on, if you were in the room, what would the deal be? >> here is where i think this has to end up. one, recognize what we are facing is a spending problem. my frien
we have a trillion dollar a year deficit. the math is simsimple. you need $4 trillion to keep the ratio of debt from growing. there has to be a tax element as well. you have to have more tax revenue. we could not afford the tax cuts we need to restore a piece of them. i have not been on wall street as long as warren buffet. but i agree. i was on wall street for 30 years. it didn't change my work ethic. i think people are driven by other things this is not going to change the work ethic...
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however, the cbo projects that under a possible such a policy assumptions the deficit could still be greater than 4% of gdp in 2018, assuming the economy has returned to its potential by then. moreover, under the protection, the deficit and the ratio of federal debt to gdp would subsequently returned to an upward trend. we should all understand that long-term projections of ever increasing deficits will never accept underpass because the willingness of lenders to continue to fund the government can only be sustained by a responsible fiscal plans and actions. a credible framework to set a better fiscal policy, one in which the ratio of federal debt to gdp eventually stabilizes or declines, is urgently needed to maintain stability. even as policy-makers address the urgent issue of longer run out stability, they should not ignore a second key objective, to avoid unnecessarily adding to the head winds that are already holding back the economic recovery. fortunately, these objectives are compatible and mutually reinforcing. preventing a sudden and severe contraction in fiscal policy early
however, the cbo projects that under a possible such a policy assumptions the deficit could still be greater than 4% of gdp in 2018, assuming the economy has returned to its potential by then. moreover, under the protection, the deficit and the ratio of federal debt to gdp would subsequently returned to an upward trend. we should all understand that long-term projections of ever increasing deficits will never accept underpass because the willingness of lenders to continue to fund the government...
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if you think about it i would argue that the inability of the government to fix this borrowing debt deficit issue in the book, vice president biden's chief of staff, talking about the economic crisis in 2011, that's exactly what is going on. there is so much evidence that it is the biggest future. we are on the path becoming europe and greece. you just can't keep borrowing money. there is a stunning and fiction in this country, and we need some sort of we need some serious intervention. in the book, what i attempt to do is take people to the presidents and leaders and tell you exactly because of the luxury of time and my publisher, simon & schuster, i declined to get the meeting notes to get the exact detail to interview president obama and speaker boehner and the key players in this. i just want to take one quick snapshot from what happened that we didn't know about, which is critical. when the cops pull up less when the president was upset, he called the congressional leaders on a saturday morning at 11:00 o'clock a.m. the democratic and republican leaders were trying to work out their ow
if you think about it i would argue that the inability of the government to fix this borrowing debt deficit issue in the book, vice president biden's chief of staff, talking about the economic crisis in 2011, that's exactly what is going on. there is so much evidence that it is the biggest future. we are on the path becoming europe and greece. you just can't keep borrowing money. there is a stunning and fiction in this country, and we need some sort of we need some serious intervention. in the...
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mystery when 60% at least of the american people think that's an appropriate way to help balance the deficit. >> now, speaker boehner keeps telling us that he's put revenues on the table in form of closing loopholes, but democrats have not offered anything in terms of those earned entitlements. now, i know you said earlier that these are not connected issues, but are you and your colleagues willing to give any ground in terms of cuts, say, to medicare, medicaid, or social security or something? >> you know, this is somewhat laughable because, again, the republicans spent the entire campaign talking about how democrats slashed $716 billion from medicare and governor romney said i'm not going to take that money out of medicare. now they're demanding we take money out of the medicare. this is another example where their message keeps changing. it's not consistent and they're just relying on the same amnesia of the american people to let them get away with it. >> very briefly, sir. do we think there will be a deal or will we hit the cliff and go over it 1234. >> i'm getting more and more pessimi
mystery when 60% at least of the american people think that's an appropriate way to help balance the deficit. >> now, speaker boehner keeps telling us that he's put revenues on the table in form of closing loopholes, but democrats have not offered anything in terms of those earned entitlements. now, i know you said earlier that these are not connected issues, but are you and your colleagues willing to give any ground in terms of cuts, say, to medicare, medicaid, or social security or...
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one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over the cliff because guess what? just cutting the deficit without any regard to the rest of our priorities is a bad idea. it happens to be the heart of republican economic policy and the other thing about never raising taxes, guess what? we don't have the gdp to seniors ratio than we did 20 years ago, so if we're going to be serious about an ageing population, it means you can't stick to these fantasies. >> i remember two years ago on the show, introducing him to the audience and explaining he's the most powerful republican in government and i had to do this long thing on who he is. and now, here he is in the center of this debate. let's listen to what the republicans are up against in the negotiations with the white house. jay carney indicated today what the president's stance is on income tax rates. >> i would say also that the president h
one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over the cliff because guess what? just cutting the deficit without any regard to the rest of our priorities is a bad idea. it happens to be the heart of republican economic policy and the other thing about never raising taxes, guess what? we don't have the gdp to seniors ratio than we did 20 years ago, so if we're...
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we've got a real debt and deficit problem. we need to be serious about it, while we protect the middle class. i'm hopeful we can find some combination of an increase in rates for the wealthy, some limitation on deductions for the wealthy and some kind of means testing for medicare that would -- you know, we don't need to be buying donald trump's prescription drugs, chris. we can do this -- >> for a number of reasons. >> for a number of reasons, although he may need the drugs we don't need to be buying them. we need to also look at spending cuts across the board. maybe not as -- with a 2x4 like sequestration but we need to look at spending cuts. all those things need to be on the table and we need to quit trying to play politics with this and get it done. >> let me ask you a question on the social front. john mccain the other day, and i think i read him clearly on one of the sunday shows with chris wallace, he said basically -- read him this way, abortion rights shouldn't be a partisan issue. do you think that's an issue that s
we've got a real debt and deficit problem. we need to be serious about it, while we protect the middle class. i'm hopeful we can find some combination of an increase in rates for the wealthy, some limitation on deductions for the wealthy and some kind of means testing for medicare that would -- you know, we don't need to be buying donald trump's prescription drugs, chris. we can do this -- >> for a number of reasons. >> for a number of reasons, although he may need the drugs we...
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jobs went down, the deficit went up. we also know, reverend al, from the nonpartisan congressional office, that those tax breaks for the very wealthy people have virtually no impact on jobs and economic growth and that the proposals the president has made, both the middle class tax extension, plus his small business tax cut, taken together do a lot more than you would get in terms of job growth from providing the folks at the very top with this bonus tax break. so you've got to look at the president's entire plan, both the investment in our infrastructure as well as middle class tax relief and small business tax relief and that is the jobs plan for the future and no matter what republicans say, the reality is that at the end of the day they are looking out for the folks at the very top. we know from our own history. >> yeah. >> that history is bankrupt. >> and these are things we need. if you look at what hurricane did to new york and new jersey, we certainly need to work on the infrastructure. congressman chris van holl
jobs went down, the deficit went up. we also know, reverend al, from the nonpartisan congressional office, that those tax breaks for the very wealthy people have virtually no impact on jobs and economic growth and that the proposals the president has made, both the middle class tax extension, plus his small business tax cut, taken together do a lot more than you would get in terms of job growth from providing the folks at the very top with this bonus tax break. so you've got to look at the...
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could either give the money back to the people that you were you know or you could use it to reduce the deficit so i think we are going to need a price on pollution and then a big program to put to push more clean energy into the marketplace right dr stout that's been done by other countries european countries for for decades actually of effectively put a carbon tax particularly on gasoline and diesel fuel hasn't worked. on. well certainly their use of automobiles is not as they're not as for line automobiles as we are here but you know we need to take a more aggressive stance here in the u.s. we need to be leaders and we not only need to be working on reducing our carbon pollution but we need to be helping communities and wildlife adapt to the changes that are inevitable we've set in motion some of these climate impacts and we need to prepare for that. time for a manhattan project. many different yeah absolutely very very good thank you all very much for being it's so much appreciate dr amanda stout dr joseph and dr. to see this discussion again or any of our conversations with great minds go
could either give the money back to the people that you were you know or you could use it to reduce the deficit so i think we are going to need a price on pollution and then a big program to put to push more clean energy into the marketplace right dr stout that's been done by other countries european countries for for decades actually of effectively put a carbon tax particularly on gasoline and diesel fuel hasn't worked. on. well certainly their use of automobiles is not as they're not as for...
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the issue of taxes and deficit and spending cuts. you have had bipartisan commission slight simpson-bowles and others. it doesn't take rocket science to reach an agreement to get the deficit down. our system of government was set up to be contentious. we have something called separation of powers. we further complicate the situation because our congress twoo bodies.nto tebet bodie you turn up the brakes if you don't reach consensus. it only takes people a goodwill working together in a bipartisan way to get things done. it does it mean people have to give up on their partisan differences. pass to be's will served. they have to reach a compromise and consensus. i am optimistic and feel it will be done. host: you are a senior fellow at the bipartisan policy center. what is the role of the center right now? guest: the center was set up by the last four majority leader's, two republicans and two democrats, to try to reach common ground. it could be issues like housing, immigration, the debt, and others. the goal is to see if we can get p
the issue of taxes and deficit and spending cuts. you have had bipartisan commission slight simpson-bowles and others. it doesn't take rocket science to reach an agreement to get the deficit down. our system of government was set up to be contentious. we have something called separation of powers. we further complicate the situation because our congress twoo bodies.nto tebet bodie you turn up the brakes if you don't reach consensus. it only takes people a goodwill working together in a...
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he's never been serious about cutting the deficit. is he really going to leave office with a 20 trillion-dollar debt? cheryl: if you look at this poll, and this is actually going to surprise you, when voters were asked, if the fiscal cliff heads, who do you blame? obama. of course. 29%. >> that as president obama effectively we using the soap box. then i say this. if this was a referendum on higher tax rates, was a ballet on obamacare? the public is opposed to obamacare. is the president going to put obamacare on the table for spending cuts? they do have some principles to fight for and i think it would be a waste if they can act and caved in on everything. i think that the government needs more revenue. because of the recession, government revenue fell. but that doesn't mean you have to tax rates. we are going to need economic growth. if you raise the rates, history shows they don't get new growth. cheryl: before you go, have to share this. people are asking, 67%, that is what we are dealing with here. >> that is the view of congress
he's never been serious about cutting the deficit. is he really going to leave office with a 20 trillion-dollar debt? cheryl: if you look at this poll, and this is actually going to surprise you, when voters were asked, if the fiscal cliff heads, who do you blame? obama. of course. 29%. >> that as president obama effectively we using the soap box. then i say this. if this was a referendum on higher tax rates, was a ballet on obamacare? the public is opposed to obamacare. is the president...
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it's complete bs to say that this has any deficit implications. it doesn't. this is just a smoke screen. it's a red herring. it's another excuse for not doing what needs to be done. the american people have spoken. the central issue in the campaign was not only tax fairness but raising taxes on the top 2% as a means to help us balance -- get rid of the deficit and eat into the debt. and the american people have said, yes, that's one of the components of the deal. so this is just another smoke screen. it's a delaying tactic. i truly believe that if they keep this up they will pay for it and they will pay for it big time, certainly in the election of 2014. but the sad part is, the nation and people can't wait. we've got to resolve this debt because if we do so, rev, will cause the economy to explode. we will see a resurge in investment, good things happening for the economy. >> congressman ellison, with all of that at stake and clear from every expert that we've heard, it's clear that if we don't solve this problem, if we have the fiscal cliff, if we go over at
it's complete bs to say that this has any deficit implications. it doesn't. this is just a smoke screen. it's a red herring. it's another excuse for not doing what needs to be done. the american people have spoken. the central issue in the campaign was not only tax fairness but raising taxes on the top 2% as a means to help us balance -- get rid of the deficit and eat into the debt. and the american people have said, yes, that's one of the components of the deal. so this is just another smoke...
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it's all about the deficit. he's not interested in people's suffering. he's interested in the deficit. that's where his focus is. >> that's exactly right. and he's not interested in the argument that perhaps for a stronger economy we need to care about the middle class and if we keep chopping them off at the knees, there's not going to be anybody to buy the products from the companies they're investing in. >> ari, we know the president when he was in the midst of that negotiation of a grand bargain with speaker boehner, he contemplated the prospect of raising the age at which it would trigger entitlements, particularly for social security. do you think this time around he'll do the same or do you think progressives will hold him to account on that and say no, no way? >> i'm concerned about it, and i think the problem is the red lines on the left side of this debate are not as clear as the ones on the right. you know, everyone spent a lot of time worrying about whether grover norquist is happy. but the fact of the political ecology in washington is there
it's all about the deficit. he's not interested in people's suffering. he's interested in the deficit. that's where his focus is. >> that's exactly right. and he's not interested in the argument that perhaps for a stronger economy we need to care about the middle class and if we keep chopping them off at the knees, there's not going to be anybody to buy the products from the companies they're investing in. >> ari, we know the president when he was in the midst of that negotiation of...
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the bars below zero represent years when the deficit grew. these bars above zero represent years when the deficit shrunk. we're here right now in the deficit shrunk portion of the chart. the point of the shrinking on the whole chart back to 1950. when somebody stops inevitably matering about the fiscal cliff and the sky rocketing deficit, they don't know what they're talking about and they probably don't know it is wrong but you can help with visual aids. we have posted both of those charts we just showed you on our blog and you can load them on your smartphone or ipad to pass around the table and print them out on paper in case your uncle doesn't look liking at these new things. those are waiting for you now. we are here for you. you can do this. report back and let us know how it went. that does it for us tonight. have a great thanksgiving. we'll see you monday. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell guest hosted by the spectacular ezra kline. good evening. >> good evening, rachel. i am glad to know other people bring char
the bars below zero represent years when the deficit grew. these bars above zero represent years when the deficit shrunk. we're here right now in the deficit shrunk portion of the chart. the point of the shrinking on the whole chart back to 1950. when somebody stops inevitably matering about the fiscal cliff and the sky rocketing deficit, they don't know what they're talking about and they probably don't know it is wrong but you can help with visual aids. we have posted both of those charts we...
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>> we had 18 debt an deficit commissions since ronald reagan became president in 1981. in more than half of those, medicaid, medicare an social security were supposed to be part of fixing the debt and deficit, it never happened. if they kick the can down the road again without fixing entitlements in the process, entitlements still won't get fixed. >> we asked you to comment on the news and then sometimes you make news. the news about you, it says you are considering running in a primary to challenge saxby chambliss. are you any closer to a season? tell me what you're thinking and who is encouraging you to do that. >> well, you know, i said all along, no i'm not going to do this. i've been dismissive. in the past couple days, a number more prominent names have been calling and saying shy do it. i feel i owe them more consideration. i'm not closer to thinking i will do it, but i'm thinking about it more. my wife is adamant if i do it, i will be buried in the backyard before i announce. i think saxby chambliss, it's time for him to be primaried. >> your wife will bury you
>> we had 18 debt an deficit commissions since ronald reagan became president in 1981. in more than half of those, medicaid, medicare an social security were supposed to be part of fixing the debt and deficit, it never happened. if they kick the can down the road again without fixing entitlements in the process, entitlements still won't get fixed. >> we asked you to comment on the news and then sometimes you make news. the news about you, it says you are considering running in a...
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the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on the republicans. >> today, i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress, write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag my 2 k, not y2 k. >> the president was laughing about you the strategy, seriously effective. the my2k was one of the top trends on twitter all day long. republicans aren't too happy. they are getting outflanked. >> if the president wants to reach an agreement, he n
the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on...
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we had a significant deficit. but the long term looked possible if we could solve the sshort-term problems. that was easier. in 1990, the parties were competitive, but they were not polarized. in those days, the bad guys were the opposition. today, they are the enemy. there is a world of difference between those two words. yes, we had some distrust. also, we had the ability to work with each other and believe each other and it made life easier at that time. there were other divisions in the congress. the party polarization today tends to make it republicans versus democrats all the way. there were other sub factions in those days. the budgeteers verses the appropriators, etc., that cut across some of those party lines. the most important difference, in my judgment, is that there was less outside pressure upon the negotiators from the radio and tv extremists, lobbyists, core constituencies, users of social media, etc. mostl they did not get 500 e-mails every minute in their office. they did not have people featurin
we had a significant deficit. but the long term looked possible if we could solve the sshort-term problems. that was easier. in 1990, the parties were competitive, but they were not polarized. in those days, the bad guys were the opposition. today, they are the enemy. there is a world of difference between those two words. yes, we had some distrust. also, we had the ability to work with each other and believe each other and it made life easier at that time. there were other divisions in the...
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how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you would break that pledge with glove norquist. >> well, thomas, let's use a couple numbers here. even with this measly economic growth we've seen the last three years, revenue at the federal government has increased $344 billion per year. if we just return to a normal economy that returns about 18.5%, that would increase revenue an additional over $400 billion per year, that's $750 billion of revenue per year through economic growth. and the president, his proposal would raise 1/10 of that but would put at risk the economic growth and that $750 billion. so -- >> sir, with all due respect, though -- >> co
how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you would break that pledge with glove norquist....
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it has not added one penny to the deficit. for those who say there is a good reason to push it off the table and we brought another day, i would add a note of caution. small changes made today in social security will play out over the long run it to buy solvency for a long time. i think we should take social security off the table for the current fiscal cliff but be very honest about what we're going to achieve in the near term. i think we should create the equivalent of the simpson- bowles commission for social security and give them eight months to a year to come up with a planned to buy us 75 years of solvency for social security. then bring it to the floor for a vote and allow any bipartisan group who can come up with a credible plan that meets the same goal to offer their own to be voted on in the senate and house. i might add a wrinkle here that senator mark warner came up with that i think is sensible. there should be a decennial process. every 10 years, but they should measure whether or not social security still has 7
it has not added one penny to the deficit. for those who say there is a good reason to push it off the table and we brought another day, i would add a note of caution. small changes made today in social security will play out over the long run it to buy solvency for a long time. i think we should take social security off the table for the current fiscal cliff but be very honest about what we're going to achieve in the near term. i think we should create the equivalent of the simpson- bowles...
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and that's made it impossible to reach a deficit reduction deal, until now. "the new york times" has an article in which republican after republican after republican goes on the record by name dismissing his pledge and his power. peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured vision of tax purity." and it did you want end there in that article. bill crystal said this. >> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer. >> a calmist at the national review wrote, as a matter of political st
and that's made it impossible to reach a deficit reduction deal, until now. "the new york times" has an article in which republican after republican after republican goes on the record by name dismissing his pledge and his power. peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out....
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it is still about three times the average deficit under bush. let us go back to the clinton tax era. eileen anywhere between republican and libertarian. up -- yes i am not. i lean anywhere between republican and a libertarian. host: what do you make of republicans up on capitol hill -- to sort of a back off the tax pledge that he took when he ran for senate, saying he would not raise taxes. caller: if we are going to raise taxes my important thing is raising them on everybody. because if they try to strike a compromise where only the rich get taxed, then it gets more progressive. it is not a point to help the budget. we are right to raise taxes, raise them all the way down to where clinton had them. host: senators lindsey gramm represented peter king, talking publicly abandoning the pledge of democrats will talk seriously about entitlement reforms. rest in peace, grover norquist? there are not enough republican tax hikes -- republicans to hike taxes for obama. the left is doing its best to make tax hikes appear to be a foregone conclusion. that
it is still about three times the average deficit under bush. let us go back to the clinton tax era. eileen anywhere between republican and libertarian. up -- yes i am not. i lean anywhere between republican and a libertarian. host: what do you make of republicans up on capitol hill -- to sort of a back off the tax pledge that he took when he ran for senate, saying he would not raise taxes. caller: if we are going to raise taxes my important thing is raising them on everybody. because if they...
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deficits that are unsustainable. i hope at the end of this year that -- congress will extend the middle class for 98% of americans, but let the tax cuts on that 2% expire. host: william mcbride, is the payroll tax cut a side issue? guest: it was front and center a year ago. it was debated in stages. we had a two month extension last year at this time. we had a protracted debate that picked up again in february and was extended again for the rest of the year. that was an major push by the president. it is a major deal. it is more than $100 billion a year, the estimate is $125 billion a year. that is more than 10% of the deficit. these are big numbers. it is an unprecedented policy, to start it two years ago and prior to that time -- the first time it was passed it was for one year. it was debated again last year. we did not play around politically with the payroll tax to much. nothing like we did with the income tax. it is rather unprecedented, cuts in to a program that was posted a dedicated to social security -- sup
deficits that are unsustainable. i hope at the end of this year that -- congress will extend the middle class for 98% of americans, but let the tax cuts on that 2% expire. host: william mcbride, is the payroll tax cut a side issue? guest: it was front and center a year ago. it was debated in stages. we had a two month extension last year at this time. we had a protracted debate that picked up again in february and was extended again for the rest of the year. that was an major push by the...
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as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided government means that neither democrats nor republicans will be able to pass legislation along strictly partisan lines. we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity without major spending cuts and entitle 347b9 reforms we will continue running a huge deficit regardless of what anyone does on either side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so
as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided...
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it doesn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a deficit reduction program, as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house already rejected boehner's idea. obama care will not be part of debt negotiations. boehner is up to something here, don't you think? something else, that is. if you watch john boehner closely over the last two weeks, you can see him laying the ground work for the latest ploy. he called obama care the law of the land, but also tried to link it to obama care and the budget. >> you had said, next year, that you would repeal the health care vote. that's still your mission? >> well, i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. i think there are parts of the health care law that are going to be very difficult to implement. and very expensive. and at a time where we're trying to find a way to create a path toward a balanced budget, everything has to be on the table. >> but you won't be spending the time next year, trying to repeal obama care? >> there are certainly may be parts of it that we b
it doesn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a deficit reduction program, as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house already rejected boehner's idea. obama care will not be part of debt negotiations. boehner is up to something here, don't you think? something else, that is. if you watch john boehner closely over the last two weeks, you can see him laying the ground work for the latest ploy. he called obama care the law of the land, but also tried to link it to obama care and the...
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shy add, chris, that another really important part of this conversation in addition to long term deficit reduction is making sure that we get sustained economic recovery. we saw some good numbers today, but we want to make sure that we sustain that recovery. and extending middle class text cuts is part of it, but so is investing in our infrastructure, so are other elements of the president's jobs plan that should be part of this overall agreement. >> we have seen several liberal democrats to say that it is better to go off that cliff than to get a bad deal. and i'm wondering if you agree because it seems like the ceos who came out of the meeting with the president yesterday were most worried or at least seriously worried about the effect of not getting a deal on time and the effect that will have on the economy. >> we absolutely want to avoid going over the fiscal cliff because it would be a big drag on the economy. >> but are you willing to do that? >> what we're willing to do is come up with a package that both accelerates economic recovery, but also begins to reduce the long term defi
shy add, chris, that another really important part of this conversation in addition to long term deficit reduction is making sure that we get sustained economic recovery. we saw some good numbers today, but we want to make sure that we sustain that recovery. and extending middle class text cuts is part of it, but so is investing in our infrastructure, so are other elements of the president's jobs plan that should be part of this overall agreement. >> we have seen several liberal democrats...
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social security does not contribute to the debt or deficit. it is not part of our deficit driver. it is an issue that can be solved. look, we did see it in the '80s, some tough medicine. everybody took it but it extended the life of social security for decades. we could do that again. it shouldn't be on the table and look, as it relates to medicare, let's remember this president extended the life of medicare through the affordable care act. these people are still talking about eliminating affordable care act or putting cuts to the affordable care act on the table when the affordable care act is helping bring the deficit down. >> bill: give it up. not to mention -- >> the election's over. the environment has changed. >> bill: thank you. i haven't heard one republican yet say they will vote to end the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans. so what has changed? >> not one. >> bill: for them, not much. brad woodhouse in studio with us. communications director for the dnc. join the conversation any time at 1-866-55-press or on twitter or facebook. we'll be right back. >> announ
social security does not contribute to the debt or deficit. it is not part of our deficit driver. it is an issue that can be solved. look, we did see it in the '80s, some tough medicine. everybody took it but it extended the life of social security for decades. we could do that again. it shouldn't be on the table and look, as it relates to medicare, let's remember this president extended the life of medicare through the affordable care act. these people are still talking about eliminating...
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we have talked for a number of years now about the challenges we have in terms of the debt and deficit. but we are not talked about the investments that are needed in this country that will help make us stronger in the future. whether we're talking about education or job training or investment in our infrastructure or providing the services for our veterans when they come home or those kinds of things that we can't just continue to talk about cutting government. we have to have a country that actually is strong in the underpinnings and that is a balanced approach that i think we need to be taking. >> before we go, i swrus want to turn to one other piece of senate business, this oddity of susan rice. it's just a simple question about john mccain and lindsey graham and john mccain and lindsey graham, do you think they are crazy and you can answer yes or maybe. >> what i believe is that susan rice is an incredible person with a great deal of intelligence and integrity and n ought to be taken r for her word. i think it's really unfortunate for her. >> i don't think senators are crazy in my
we have talked for a number of years now about the challenges we have in terms of the debt and deficit. but we are not talked about the investments that are needed in this country that will help make us stronger in the future. whether we're talking about education or job training or investment in our infrastructure or providing the services for our veterans when they come home or those kinds of things that we can't just continue to talk about cutting government. we have to have a country that...